Photo: Radiocarbon dating lab of the Silesian University, Gliwice, PL
During the 1st ICBP 2008, the conclusions of radiocarbon dating of a wooden fragment found in Ravne tunnel system were presented by Prof. Dr. Anna Pazdur and archaeologist Andrew Lawler. The obtained results of two indipendent Radiocarbon labs (Kiel, Germany and Gliwice, Poland) will doubtlessly further boost interest for the project of the Bosnian valley of the pyramids.
The obtained dates of 31,000 BP and/or 34,000 BP (possibly 42,000 BP) now will surely raise some questions:
How old is Ravne tunnel complex?
How old are the Bosnian pyramids?
Summary Report: Methods, Results and implications for further research (Abstract)
RADIOCARBON DATING AND POLITICS
A short summary of the backgrounds
The finding of wooden fragment inside Ravne tunnel complex in November 2007 was welcomed with enthusiasm by the foundation APBPS. The permanent archaeologist of the foundation, Mr. Andrew Lawler, has taken two samples of the wooden fragment and has sent them to two different laboratories in Kiel, Germany and Oxford, UK; while a third sample of the wooden fragment has been sent by Dr. Muris Osmanagic and Eng. Goran Cakic to another laboratory in Gliwice, Poland. In order to assure reliable results of the laboratory analysises every team worked independently and none of the three laboratories has been informed that another laboratory is performing the C-14 dating of the same wooden fragment.
The results are:
1. The Polish laboratory of the Silesian Institute in Gliwice estimated the age of the wooden fragment 34,000 BP. The polish team was very surprised by the result, because never before the radiocarbon dating procedure of a wood fragment has obtained such result in their laboratories. The oldest sample of wood they have tested so far was 5,000 years old. When Dr. Anna Pazdur and Dr. Andrzej Rakowski visited the underground tunnel complex Ravne they have declared that according to their opinion “Ravne is the oldest underground tunnel complex in European history".
Prof. Anna Pazdur C-14 Report
2. The Leibniz-Laboratory for Radiometric Dating and Stabel Isotope Research of Christian Albrecht University, Kiel, Germany, estimated an age of 31,000 BP. As expected, the German laboratory has achieved the C-14 dating of the sample very professionally, affordably and fast.
Andrew Lawler C-14 Report (Leibnitz-Laboratory for Radiometric Dating, Kiel, Germany)
3. The Research Laboratory for Archaeology and History of Art, University of Oxford,UK, firstly replied that they are not able to achieve radiocarbon dating of the sample because their laboratory instruments were out of use (damaged). Afterwards, even if the sample they have received was of same quality and quantity like those sent to Germany and Poland, the laboratory of the University in Oxford started to claim that the sample they have received is not organic material, but just soil and non-organic material, and later they added that nothing left of the sample they were testing…(?).
Answer of the Laboratory of Archaeology at Oxford University
Despite the “impossibility” of the Research Laboratory at Oxford University of determining the age of the wooden fragment found in Ravne tunnel complex, we are satisfied with seeing other laboratories which are very capable of doing it.
And the results are sensational:
We have the evidence of intelligent human activity in the heart of the Balkans, in Bosnia and Herzegovina, in Visoko, dating more than 30,000 years ago!
Sources: 1st ICBP 2008, piramidasunca.ba, bosnian-pyramid.com
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3 comments:
Cracks in the reputation of Oxford University? I was thinking of recommending another university to my daughter.
There is an assumption here that the wood clearly dates the tunnel. This is wrong. Until we are clear how the wood got to the place it was found, and when that might have been, you can't use the wood to date the tunnel.
There is an assumption here that the wood clearly dates the tunnel. This is wrong. Until we are clear how the wood got to the place it was found, and when that might have been, you can't use the wood to date the tunnel.
Dear,
Thank you for your comment.
There's no assumption here that the wood clearly dates the tunnel, but it suggests a possible (approximate) time-span of 30,000 - 40,000 years BP!
Why?
For one simple reason. The scientific evidence suggests that the fragment of wood (part of a trunk) entered the tunnel system when the tunnel system already existed.
The presumption that the wooden fragment was already several thousand of years old when brought accidentally (ex. by flooding) or intentionally (by humans) into the tunnel system has no valid scientific background.
The explanation is simple:
Wood is highly perishable organic material. Decay of wood by primarily enzymatic activities of microorganisms occurs in relative short period of time (few years).
Thus, Yes, the wooden fragment (its place of finding) can be used to suggest an approximate age of the Ravne tunnel complex and that is:
30,000 - 40,000 years BP.
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